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		Clement
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: F 28 VH | 
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				| UR Type 1 (46) in r15c46 taking out 46 in r1c4 solves the puzzle. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:08 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Also the XY-Wing on 584 or 485. | 
			 
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		Wendy W
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:07 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| xy 458 for me. While watching Team USA lose! | 
			 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Sort of why the USA got to the moon:  The USA's German rocket scientists were better than the Soviet's German rocket scientists.
 
 
I suppose the Canadians' NHL hockey players are better than the USA's NHL hockey players.
 
 
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		mickfarmer
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Using logic I got down to this position.
 
 
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73      8
 
  9738 64
 
     537
 
9 1387 2 
 
827 5 931
 
36 1928 7
 
 73869
 
69 2417 3
 
1  573
 
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A sweep showed nothing obvious.  A hint gave 5 in r1c7.  Why?
 
 
The site states that only logic is required to solve these puzzles, but I can't see
 
how they came up with that hint.  Can anyone suggest why?
 
 
Regards,
 
 
Mick
 
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[URL=http://www.dodge-wiki.com/wiki/Dodge_Phoenix_(Australia)]DODGE PHOENIX (AUSTRALIA) SPECIFICATIONS[/URL]
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				This is Mick's grid after an auto-sweep.
 
 
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| 7   3   2456 | 469 12 46 | 125  159 8   |
 
| 25  15  9    | 7   3  8  | 125  6   4   |
 
| 24  148 2468 | 469 12 5  | 3    7   29  |
 
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| 9   45  1    | 3   8  7  | 456  2   56  |
 
| 8   2   7    | 46  5  46 | 9    3   1   |
 
| 3   6   45   | 1   9  2  | 8    45  7   |
 
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| 245 7   3    | 8   6  9  | 1245 145 25  |
 
| 6   9   58   | 2   4  1  | 7    58  3   |
 
| 1   48  248  | 5   7  3  | 246  489 269 |
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site | 
			 
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		nataraj
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Hello mickfarmer, welcome to the forum!
 
 
You did all the basic steps that are possible, the grid is right after basics. A "VH" step is needed.
 
 
There is an x-wing (5) in rows 6 and 8.
 
It takes out three candidates: 5 in r1c8, r1c3, r7c8.
 
 
The resulting box / line interaction (5 in row 2 confined to cols 1 and 2) removes 5 from r2c7, which then leaves a hidden single 5 in r1c7. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | There is an x-wing (5) in rows 6 and 8.  | 	  
 
Interesting. That may be what Sam had in mind, but nobody who posted used it. | 
			 
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		nataraj
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:19 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Marty R. wrote: | 	 		   	  | Quote: | 	 		  | There is an x-wing (5) in rows 6 and 8.  | 	  
 
Interesting. That may be what Sam had in mind, but nobody who posted used it. | 	  
 
 
Hm, dunno what Sam had in mind, maybe it's just one of the "vh" moves his program recognizes. I did in fact use that x-wing in solving the puzzle. Some days I start looking for xy wings first, some days I look at individual candidates, a.k.a. "color"ing. Seems I did the Feb 28 vh on a colorful day   | 
			 
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		mickfarmer
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Hi,
 
 
A big thank you to those of you who showed me an x wing.
 
 
Regards,
 
 
Mick
 
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		sudocraz
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:27 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Wendy W wrote: | 	 		  | xy 458 for me. While watching Team USA lose! | 	  
 
 
I suppose that is the difference between a Canadian and an American, at least as far as hockey goes.  There was no way that I could do a Sudoku while watching that Game!  I was so happy when Team Canada won!     ( I did it later, still so excited that I can't remember how I solved it)   
 
 
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