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		| hughwill 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:56 am    Post subject: Apr 25 VH(?) |   |  
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				| You wait for a VH to come along and it isn't. This one falls through basics only, though there are many pairs and triples first.
 
 Hugh
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		| the_lock_man 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:34 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I'm glad it wasn't just me that thought that.  |  | 
	
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		| RobertRattley 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Yes, only "hard".  And I don't know about "many pairs and triples":  I needed just one triple 137 in row 7. |  | 
	
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		| dongrave 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:46 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| So anyway I got to the following point: 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +-------------+----------------+--------------+
 | 39  1   5   | 2378 367  368  | 2789 237  4  |
 | 6   379 2   | 3578 4    1358 | 5789 137  19 |
 | 8   37  4   | 2357 1357 9    | 257  1237 6  |
 +-------------+----------------+--------------+
 | 7   4   6   | 1    8    2    | 3    9    5  |
 | 1   2   9   | 35   356  356  | 4    8    7  |
 | 5   8   3   | 4    9    7    | 1    6    2  |
 +-------------+----------------+--------------+
 | 349 5   17  | 6    137  13   | 279  1247 8  |
 | 49  6   178 | 5789 2    158  | 79   147  3  |
 | 2   379 178 | 3789 137  4    | 6    5    19 |
 +-------------+----------------+--------------+
 
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 And then I says to myself... I says 'Don' I says 'It's a VH so there MUST be a VH move somewhere.  Aha!  There it is!  An X-Wing of 9's in columns 2 and 9!  So r9c4<>9 which means r8c4=9 which solves it!  Boy, I bet my mother would be proud!  (By the way, she was an English teacher.)  Then I read the others' posts.  ugh.  I hate when that happens.
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		| hughwill 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thanks for that Don. probably explains what the algorithm was using to suggest it was a VH. I've noticed that before that there are certain box-line
 interactions or triples that the programming fails to spot- in this case could it
 be that there are two naked triples (both 137) which share two cells? It's an
 unusual combination....
 
 Still, it's hard to complain about something that has worked so well over 10
 years- so thanks again Sam (even if he's a largely absent landlord!).
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