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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject: Jan 16 VH |   |  
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				| Where's Clement when you need him?   
 I found this to be quite different from the usual VH. I saw no freebies at the start and populating the grid was more complicated than usual, as were the basics. But after that there was a typical solution.
 
 
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		| roaa 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I fully agree with Marty R! Also with the final xy-wing (356)? |  | 
	
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		| arkietech 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| For a non typical solution I like  	  | Code: |  	  | *--------------------------------------------------------------------* | 7     *36     8      | 49     149    5      | 2     *36     149    |
 | 56     4      2      | 389    13689  7      | 59     68     19     |
 | 9      1      35     | 2      468    68     | 35     678    47     |
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 | 2      5      6      | 89     89     4      | 7      1      3      |
 | 13     8      7      | 5      36     136    | 4      9      2      |
 | 4      9      13     | 7      23     123    | 6      5      8      |
 |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 1368  f367    139    | 348    3478   38     | 39     2      5      |
 | 358   f237    359    | 6      23578  238    | 1      4      79     |
 | 5-3   *237    4      | 1      2357   9      | 8     *37     6      |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 double finned x-wing
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		| Clement 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Jan 16 VH |   |  
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				| For almost 24 hrs, no solution on site 	  | Marty R. wrote: |  	  | Where's Clement when you need him?   
 I found this to be quite different from the usual VH. I saw no freebies at the start and populating the grid was more complicated than usual, as were the basics. But after that there was a typical solution.
 
 
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		| LloydB 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I certainly agree that this was one of the most difficult ones just to get through the basics! 
 From the position posted by Arkietech the 356 XY-wing centered in r2c1 leads to the solution.
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		| Jeff 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| This is a tough puzzle.  I am stumped.  I have the grid pretty much like the diagram provided by arkietech, except I have a 3 in the following squares:  C1R2 (making it 356), C7R2 (making it 359), AND C8R2 (making it 368).  After working on this for quite awhile, I cannot figure out how to make those 3's disappear.  I would appreciate some help.  Many thanks. |  | 
	
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| All of your extra 3's are eliminated because the 3 in box 2 must be in row 2, thus precluding a 3 elsewhere in that row. 
 This technique for eliminating candidates is known as Locked Candidates or Box-Line Interactions.
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		| Jeff 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:49 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Marty, 
 Thanks.  I don't know how I missed that!
 
 Jeff
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		| keith 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| After solving only a few squares, naked singles, there is a W-wing 35 - 13 - 13 - 35 in chute 1 that solves it. 
 Keith
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