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		| dizzy dave 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:57 am    Post subject: May 9 VH |   |  
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				| +------------------+---------------+-----------------+ | 179  45789 14578 | 1489 6   2    | 4578  1478  3   |
 | 179  2     14578 | 1489 3   1458 | 6     1478  145 |
 | 6    3     1458  | 148  158 7    | 2458  1248  9   |
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 | 279  4579  2457  | 248  58  3    | 1     2489  6   |
 | 8    45    12345 | 1246 9   1456 | 245   234   7   |
 | 1239 459   6     | 7    158 1458 | 24589 23489 245 |
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 | 4    1     23    | 5    7   9    | 23    6     8   |
 | 23   678   9     | 168  4   168  | 237   5     12  |
 | 5    678   78    | 3    2   168  | 479   1479  14  |
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 Could not find an elegant solve. My logic was that if r5c3 ==3,
 then r5c4 <>2 so R4c4=2.  And if r5c3 ==3 and thus <>1, then c1r12 <> 1, and there is no value possible for r4c1.
 R5c3 <>3 means r6c1 =3, from there everything falls out.
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:47 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Dave, the May 9 puzzle is an H, not VH. 
 This is your grid, aligned. (There's an article in the Site Help sub-forum on aligning a grid).
 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +------------------+---------------+-----------------+ | 179  45789 14578 | 1489 6   2    | 4578  1478  3   |
 | 179  2     14578 | 1489 3   1458 | 6     1478  145 |
 | 6    3     1458  | 148  158 7    | 2458  1248  9   |
 +------------------+---------------+-----------------+
 | 279  4579  2457  | 248  58  3    | 1     2489  6   |
 | 8    45    12345 | 1246 9   1456 | 245   234   7   |
 | 1239 459   6     | 7    158 1458 | 24589 23489 245 |
 +------------------+---------------+-----------------+
 | 4    1     23    | 5    7   9    | 23    6     8   |
 | 23   678   9     | 168  4   168  | 237   5     12  |
 | 5    678   78    | 3    2   168  | 479   1479  14  |
 +------------------+---------------+-----------------+
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 I hope I got it right. The first thing is to note that there's a quint in box 4. After making the eliminations therefrom I don't know how far that goes toward solving, but one step at a time.
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		| arkietech 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 7:02 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Marty R. wrote: |  	  | Dave, the May 9 puzzle is an H, not VH. 
 This is your grid, aligned. (There's an article in the Site Help sub-forum on aligning a grid).
 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +------------------+---------------+-----------------+ | 179  45789 14578 | 1489 6   2    | 4578  1478  3   |
 | 179  2     14578 | 1489 3   1458 | 6     1478  145 |
 | 6    3     1458  | 148  158 7    | 2458  1248  9   |
 +------------------+---------------+-----------------+
 | 279  4579  2457  | 248  58  3    | 1     2489  6   |
 | 8    45    12345 | 1246 9   1456 | 245   234   7   |
 | 1239 459   6     | 7    158 1458 | 24589 23489 245 |
 +------------------+---------------+-----------------+
 | 4    1     23    | 5    7   9    | 23    6     8   |
 | 23   678   9     | 168  4   168  | 237   5     12  |
 | 5    678   78    | 3    2   168  | 479   1479  14  |
 +------------------+---------------+-----------------+
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 I hope I got it right. The first thing is to note that there's a quint in box 4. After making the eliminations therefrom I don't know how far that goes toward solving, but one step at a time.
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 Look for something hidden in block 4 for solution
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		| dizzy dave 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:30 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thanks Marty and Arki.  Now that it's pointed out it's plain as day.  The fact that only two cells in block 4 can be 1 or 3 does solve it. 
 And next time I'll align.  I started to this time but decided I was making it worse.  I think I need a new brand of coffee.
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